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semper meus dominus jesu- 05-20-2006
Meron di nakakalam lalo na yung nasa kabila.

Una .. ang commandments ay walang bilang isa hanggang sampu
sa bibliya. Ang sampung utos ay binubuo ng higit sa sampung
"imperatives"

Narito ang listahan ng higit sa sampung imperatives ng ten
commandments ayon sa Exodus 20: sa wikang englis

2 You shall not make for yourself a graven image...
3 You shall not bow down to them or serve them...
4 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain...
5 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
6 Six days you shall labor...
7 In it [the seventh day] you shall not do any work...
8 Honor your father and your mother...
9 You shall not kill.
10 You shall not commit adultery.
11 You shall not steal.
12 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
13 You shall not covet your neighbor's house
14 You shall not covet your neighbor's wife...

Kailangang isaayos ang mga "imperatives" na ito upang
mabuo ang sampung utos.

Inayos ng pro-*test*-('")anting si Calvin ang "impeartives" ng
ganito.

1 I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.
5 Honor thy father and thy mother.
6 Thou shalt not kill.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 Thou shalt not steal.
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness.
10 Thou shalt not covet.

Ang katoliko ay ibinase ang pag-sasaayos ng sampung utos
ayon sa pag-sasaliksik ni san agustin (ikalimang siglo)
sa kanyang librong "Questions of Exodus"
("Qućstionum in Heptateuchum libri VII", Bk. II, Question lxxi)
at pinagtibay ng council of trent, sinusunod din ito ng mga
lutherans, maliban sa school ng Bucer.

Narito ang pag-sasaayos ng Katoliko mula pa ng ika-limang
siglo hanggang sa ngayon.

1 I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2 You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3 Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.
4 Honor your father and mother.
5 You shall not kill.
6 You shall not commit adultery.
7 You shall not steal.
8 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9 You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10 You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

Ang pagsasayos ng unang utos ay patungkol sa huwad ng pagsamba at pagsamba sa huwad na diyos ay iisa. Nakakatuwang isipin na ang
pagsamba sa ibang diyos at pag-gawa ng imahe ay hiwalay na
kasalanan.

Pansinin nyo rin na ang you shall not covet at you shall not steal
... ay pareho ng kahulugan.

Kung susundin ang sampung utos ni pro-*test*-('")anteng calvin ...
ang unang magkakasala sa ikalawang utos na "Thou shalt not make
unto thee any graven image" ... ay si Moses mismo na gumawa ng
imahe ng ahas, sunod si haring solomon na gumawa ng imahe anghel
sa templo.

Alamin ... wag pasaway ....

Katoliko hindi matitinag ... 2000+ years and alive






bombshella- 06-08-2006
nice research..thumbs up

D_Engineer- 06-10-2006
Sa old -*test*-('")ament pa iyang sampung utos...

Sa new -*test*-('")ament sa panahon ni Kristo, binago na ang sampung utos...

'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "And a second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (by Matthew 22:37-40)

semper meus dominus jesu- 07-01-2006
QUOTE (D_Engineer @ June 10, 2006 06:56 pm)
Sa old -*test*-('")ament pa iyang sampung utos...

Sa new -*test*-('")ament sa panahon ni Kristo, binago na ang sampung utos...

'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "And a second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (by Matthew 22:37-40)

The thread ... was to explain the theological history of the old law ... as used by some so-called christians for the propagation of their so-called faith

M- 07-02-2006





di ba si moises, kaya gumawa ng imaheng ahas ay inutos ng Diyos? unsure.gif

semper meus dominus jesu- 07-02-2006
QUOTE (M&M @ July 03, 2006 12:38 am)
di ba si moises, kaya gumawa ng imaheng ahas ay inutos ng Diyos? unsure.gif

what is the relevance of this post to the topic .. can you repost?

D_Engineer- 07-06-2006
QUOTE (semper meus dominus jesu @ July 01, 2006 07:09 am)
The thread ... was to explain the theological history of the old law ... as used by some so-called christians for the propagation of their so-called faith

Mali ba ang Post ko na noong dumating si Kristo ay binago na ang Sampung utos? tambayan/4_6_2v.gif

les paul- 07-07-2006
QUOTE (semper meus dominus jesu @ July 03, 2006 01:59 pm)
what is the relevance of this post to the topic .. can you repost?

meron po...intindihin mo lang yung sagot.

itong sasabihin ko ang out of topic....kaya daw di nasusunod ng mga christians ang sampung utos, dahil kung umutos ang dyos eh sampu sampu agad, dapat isa isa lang... tambayan/lol2.gif ..*uy jk lang po yun lord...I always believe in YOU!

malou- 07-17-2006
QUOTE (D_Engineer @ July 07, 2006 03:08 am)
QUOTE (semper meus dominus jesu @ July 01, 2006 07:09 am)
The thread ... was to explain the theological history of the old law ... as used by some so-called christians for the propagation of their so-called faith

Mali ba ang Post ko na noong dumating si Kristo ay binago na ang Sampung utos? tambayan/4_6_2v.gif

well hindi po binago ang sampung utos yon din po yon..

kaya lang inulit ulit po doon na LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

D_Engineer- 07-17-2006
I agree, nasasakop na lahat iyong sampo sa dalawang kautusan na ito....
"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

semper meus dominus jesu- 07-20-2006
QUOTE (semper meus dominus jesu @ July 01, 2006 04:09 pm)
QUOTE (D_Engineer @ June 10, 2006 06:56 pm)
Sa old -*test*-('")ament pa iyang sampung utos...

Sa new -*test*-('")ament sa panahon ni Kristo, binago na ang sampung utos...

'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "And a second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (by Matthew 22:37-40)

The thread ... was to explain the theological history of the old law ... as used by some so-called christians for the propagation of their so-called faith

I am not against the concept that JESUS incorporates the old 10 laws to the new 2 laws ...

Ang sinasabi ko lang ... is why may mga sektang ... too much emphasis on the 10 old laws ... while not concentrating on the new 2 laws .... which is more appropriate to follow in our times

semper meus dominus jesu- 07-20-2006
QUOTE (M&M @ July 03, 2006 12:38 am)
di ba si moises, kaya gumawa ng imaheng ahas ay inutos ng Diyos? unsure.gif

what i mean here is ... yung utos "to make a bronze serpent" was not part of the 10 laws .... when we are only discussing the 10 laws

syke- 08-04-2006
nice information

hmaritesc- 08-10-2006
nababago po ba ang mga utos ng diyos? unsure.gif

3 salin na pala yon tambayan/4_6_2v.gif

nice 2 read....

semper meus dominus jesu- 08-11-2006
QUOTE (hmaritesc @ August 10, 2006 04:26 pm)
nababago po ba ang mga utos ng diyos? unsure.gif

3 salin na pala yon tambayan/4_6_2v.gif

nice 2 read....

hindi naman nabago

fulfilled lang

ayon sa sulat ni San Pablo sa mga taga Galacia

mayroong dalawang ibinigay ang DIYOS sa TAO

una ... PANGAKO ... binigay nya kay ABRAHAM
pangalawa ... UTOS ... binigay niya kay moses

Ang UTOS na ibinigay ng DIYOS kay MOSES ay para
sa paghahanda sa pagdating ng pangako. Ito ang
nagsilbing gabay o patnugot natin tungo sa pangako
ng DIYOS.

Ang pangako ng DIYOS kay abraham ay natupad sa
pagdating ni HESUS

sa pagdating ng PANGAKO ... sabi ni San Pablo ...
hindi na tayo sumasailalim sa patnugot.

Kung gagawin mo ang dalawang commandments
of LOVE ni HESUS.

nagawa mo na rin ang sampung utos ... o mas higit pa.

TANDAAN:

Kapag tinupad mo ang sampung utos ... maY hihilingin
pa si HESUS sa iyo ... "COME FOLLOW ME"

Kapag tinupad mo naman ang commandments of LOVE
"YOU HAVE ALREADY FOLLOWED JESUS"

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