Do you believe in God?

QUOTE (.:Sublime:. @ Nov 8 2004, 11:43 PM)

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The more you deny God, the more you prove His Existence. You cannot deny something unless there is some thing to be denied of.

Actually, denying the existance of God means exactly that. Denying the existance of God.

Hehe that's just like what confucius say.. "If a tree falls in the forest when there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

What is the benchmark of your beliefs in God?

therefore, if there is no GOD, why bother to prove HIS non EXISTENCE? Christians or believers did not prove GOD'S EXISTENCE, it is by FAITH that we/they believed HE EXISTS..

Sabi ni Sublime : So, let me rephrase my previous statement in basic english.

Religion is part of the philippine peoples life. Some are more dedicated than others and yet some of them are still struggling in life, NOT just financial (which maxtomax failed to grasp) but also includes their physical and emotional conditions... Famine and disasters.

Kaibigan, ang titulo ng topic ay "Do you believed in God?". Kaya nga ang diwa ng tanong mo ay "Hindi ka naniniwala na may Diyos", tama ba?

Kaya nga ang sagot ko, ay ayon din sa diwa ng tanong mo at sa tema ng usapan na ito. ulitin ko lang ang sinabi ko:

1. Lumalabas sa tanong ni Sublime: Sa Diyos dapat i-sisi ang paghihirap ng nakararami sa atin?

2. Lumalabas sa tanong ni Sublime: Pinababayaan ng Diyos ang mga naghihirap?

3. Lumalabas sa tanong ni Sublime: Kung talagang may Diyos, bakit marami ang naghihirap?

Hindi ba't yan ang espiritu ng tanong mo? Upang palitawin mo na walang "Diyos"?

Sabi ni Sublime : Does your God enjoy watching your fellow countrymen suffer?

Hindi. Ang Diyos namin ay hindi katulad ng diyos na nasa unawa mo. katunayan, naghanda siya ng gantimpla sa mga magtatagumpay sa hirap ng buhay dito sa mundo.

Pahayag 21:1-5

"At nakita ko ang isang bagong langit at ang bagong lupa, sapagkat ang unang langit at ang unang lupa ay lumipas na. Ang dagat ay wala na. At akong si Juan, nakita ko ang banal na lungsod, ang bagong Jerusalem na bumababang mula sa Diyos na buhat sa langit. Ito ay inihanda na katulad ng isang babaeng ikakasal na ginayakan para sa kaniyang magiging asawa. Narinig ko ang isang malakas na tinig na mula sa langit. Sinabi nito: Narito, ang tabernakulo ng Diyos ay nasa mga tao. Siya ay mananahang kasama nila. Sila ay magiging mga tao niya. Ang kanilang Diyos mismo ang sumakanila at siya ang kanilang magiging Diyos. Pupunasin ng Diyos ang bawat luha sa kanilang mga mata. Mawawala na ang kamatayan, ang pagtangis, ang pag-iyak o ang kabalisahan. Ang mga bagay sa nakaraan ay lumipas na. Ang nakaupo sa trono ay nagsabi: Tingnan ninyo, ginawa kong bago ang lahat ng bagay. At sinabi niya sa akin: Isulat mo ito sapagkat ang mga salitang ito ay totoo at tapat."

Ang mga naniniwala sa Diyos ay hindi lamang nakapako ang pansin sa buhay na ito. Kundi sa buhay na darating.

Salamat.

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QUOTE (beejhae @ Nov 3 2004, 01:18 PM)

This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering..

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As
the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation.. They talked
about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:
"I don't believe that God exists."
"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.
"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.
Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard.. He looked dirty and unk

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."
"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

nice one pare..

That is a weak analogy...

I have a question.... Isn't Philippines dominantly a Catholic Country that is also considered third world?

Can someone explain to me why majority of it's citizens are struggling in their everyday life? The very same people who donated their last savings to their church in hope God will answer their prayers?

What more must these people do to be heard by God? Sacrifice their first born?

Anyway.. I see no reason at all why the barber is used to prove God's existance... An analogy of a mortal being existance against the Immortal being existance... That in my opinion is weak.

There are so many Filipinos suffering in their everyday life because of the lunatics who have run or are running the country to the ground. These sufferings are inflicted by man, not God.

We are created with free will. You either choose to be good or to be bad. Unfortunately some who have chosen to be evil and be blinded by money have actions that inflict pain on others. Consequences of free will. Reason why we are ask to be our brother's keepers.

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QUOTE (Eraserheads @ Oct 6 2004, 02:30 AM)

The Limitations Of Science

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Scientific method is limited to a process defined by that which is measurable and repeatable. By definition, it cannot speak to issues of ultimate origin, meaning, or morality. For such answers, science is dependent on the values and personal beliefs of those who use it. Science, therefore, has great potential for both good and evil. It can be used to make vaccines or poisons, nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons. It can be used to clean up the environment or to pollute it. It can be used to argue for God or against Him. Science by itself offers no moral guidance or values to govern our lives. All science can do is show us how natural law works, while telling us nothing about its origins.

Same with religions.

Religion is a tool, just like Science you have mentioned.

In fact religion is a powerful tool used by politicians to win votes.

I believe in God, but I have no faith in religion.

I know I do! I'm a Catholic!

a ako naniniwala talaga

We experience pain and suffering because our foreparents made a decision wherein they would have to live in a world were such existed.

me, i believe in God.=) i accepted Christ as my personal savior years n years ago.hehe now nga, im starting 2 rid d bible..i want 2 finish genesis to revelation!haha
if i did dat, grbe! accomplishment tlga!hehe

for those who doubt God, il gve u one sample...just luk around our surroundings.. like d trees.. who made them?? sure, men can plant them but surely, SOmeONE made them.. that's God.

and 4 those s nagssbi, if may GOd, bkt mrmi naghhrap, dmi crimes, etc etc. wel that's not the fault of God, but of men. They did them to themselves tas ibblame nila ito kay God? God gave us evrything..nasa atin na yan how to use it. And may iba na sbi, bkt may germs or watsoever..balance of ecosystem yan!haha bsdes, there are sooo many things that science can explain. if us man can explain evrything, edi la na God cuz prng cnsbi n ntn na alam ntn lht. we dont know what's God thinking or why exactly did he make certain things.. and that's the reason he's God. cuz he's above us. He undrstnd n knows everything about us but with Him, we dont. He's superior to us.