Minsan sa sobrang dami ng problema... naiisip mo tuloy kung may GOD pa.... Papano yung mga ibang tao na sumuko sa mga pag subok nya? at imbis na mapaganda ang buhay at maging matatag eh nasira pa ang buhay... Sa tingin mo fair pa rin ba yon?
maxtomax- 01-24-2005
QUOTE (Eraserheads @ Jan 25 2005, 01:01 AM)
Minsan sa sobrang dami ng problema... naiisip mo tuloy kung may GOD pa.... Papano yung mga ibang tao na sumuko sa mga pag subok nya? at imbis na mapaganda ang buhay at maging matatag eh nasira pa ang buhay... Sa tingin mo fair pa rin ba yon?
Unfair naman sa Diyos kung isi-sisi sa kanya lahat yung mga problema ng tao. Kadalasan naman kasi tao ang gumagawa ng kanyang sariling problema.
Eraserheads- 01-24-2005
QUOTE (maxtomax @ Jan 25 2005, 04:22 AM)
QUOTE (Eraserheads @ Jan 25 2005, 01:01 AM)
Minsan sa sobrang dami ng problema... naiisip mo tuloy kung may GOD pa.... Papano yung mga ibang tao na sumuko sa mga pag subok nya? at imbis na mapaganda ang buhay at maging matatag eh nasira pa ang buhay... Sa tingin mo fair pa rin ba yon?
Unfair naman sa Diyos kung isi-sisi sa kanya lahat yung mga problema ng tao. Kadalasan naman kasi tao ang gumagawa ng kanyang sariling problema.
Papano kung ang paligid ang lumalapit sayo at kahit anong iwas mo ay patuloy pa rin ang pag lapit....
justice league- 01-25-2005
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We experience pain and suffering because our foreparents made a decision wherein they would have to live in a world were such existed.
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Is that where God guided them into?
I understand about free will and all that, but what I dont understand is how people talk about "God's Guidance" yet, you see a lot of them living in a hell hole. Yet (again) their faith in God is unmeasurable.
Ooooppps! Sorry Sublime.
I usually take a vacation from discussions during Christmas and I didn't get to view this when I came back.
Actually had a discussion with Labguy in another forum. Send me a PM if you need to get in touch with him.
Can't say that God guided them into making that decision. I think Eve got tempted by the devil and swayed Adam later into disobeying God.
About "God's guidance"; I think it's hard to filter what's coming from God when it comes to everyday life.
We also have to consider that the Christians who endured pain and death for their faith had extreme faith in God. We know many of them were given the chance to renounce God and maybe live a more or not prosperous but definitely longer life than it would have been. Yet they obviously refused. We have to guess that through their minds coursed the choices available.
Could it be God's guidance that they not renounce him and have their live end right then and there? Would it be God's guidance if they chose to renounce him and live a longer life here on earth? I know at least one who did. Did that guidance come from God?
D_Engineer- 01-26-2005
Share ko lang.. Im sure most of you pipol read this already...
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God.
barber said: "I don't believethat God exists." "Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things." The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long,stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barbershop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and am a barber. And I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! " answered the barber. " What happens, is, people do not come to me. " Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."
Irene17- 02-04-2005
Syempre naniniwala. Kung wala siya pano tayo nag exist sa mundong itoh.
Eraserheads- 02-06-2005
QUOTE (Irene17 @ Feb 4 2005, 09:41 AM)
Syempre naniniwala. Kung wala siya pano tayo nag exist sa mundong itoh.
How sure you are na sya ang gumawa sayo? What is your basis?
maxtomax- 02-07-2005
QUOTE (Eraserheads @ Feb 7 2005, 05:31 AM)
QUOTE (Irene17 @ Feb 4 2005, 09:41 AM)
Syempre naniniwala. Kung wala siya pano tayo nag exist sa mundong itoh.
How sure you are na sya ang gumawa sayo? What is your basis?
Granting without accepting na hindi ang Diyos ang lumikha sa tao, maaari mo bang sabihin kung sino?
D_Engineer- 02-07-2005
"We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. " - 1John 4:13
Thoughts on the verse: Our sign of authenticity showing we are truly God's children is the Holy Spirit who lives in us. The Spirit helps bring forth the character of God in our lives (Gal. 5:22). The Spirit helps us when we pray (Rom. 8:26-27). The Spirit empowers us to overcome sin (Rom. 8:13) and gives us strength to do things we would never imagine were possible (Eph. 3:14-21). The Spirit comforts us in our brokenness and makes God's presence real in our lives (John 14:15-26). The Spirit is the truest sign that we are God's children (Rom. 8:9, 14-16). Thank God for the blessed Holy Spirit!
(((kuripotpot)))- 02-07-2005
last time na naniniwala ako is 1997 pa ata.
What made me believe that God exist because of the words of the bible, noon.
Pero ngayon, what made me believe that God doesn't exist?
Secret.
I am not an aetheist, but a mere believer of my own faith, serving the people sa kaya kong i serve, Iyon naman ang esensya ng Bibliya sa mga naniniwala nito, di ba?
Ang deperensya lang ay dapat maniwal ka nito.
Ito may tanong ako, kung sakaling nakita niyo si Satanas sa isang eskenita na nanghihina't mamamatay na tutulungan mo ba sya?
D_Engineer- 02-07-2005
QUOTE ((((kuripotpot))) @ Feb 7 2005, 10:37 PM)
Ito may tanong ako, kung sakaling nakita niyo si Satanas sa isang eskenita na nanghihina't mamamatay na tutulungan mo ba sya?
YES! DAHIL DI KO ALAM KUNG ANONG HITSURA NI SATANAS.
PERO ALAM KO KUNG ANO ANG KANYANG MGA GAWA...
(((kuripotpot)))- 02-07-2005
Korek at isang magandang halimbawa sa isang tao na tunay ang adhikain para makatulong.
Pero sa nabasa ko, dapat na tulungan si Satanas lalo na kung mamamatay siya, dahil kung mamamatay siya ay mawawalan na ng silbi ang kasalanan, dahil ayon sa "bibliya" siya ang pinagmulan ng kasalanan.
So and if so. dapat natin tulungan, dahil kung mamamatay siya mapuputol na ang kasalanan, at ligtas na tayo nito. At magkakaroon ng Chaos, dahil wala na ngang kasalanan. Kung papatay ka ng tao hindi na iyon kasalanan, dahil wala na nga ang kasalanan, dahil namatay na nga ang pinagmulan nito.
kaya kung ano ang gusto mong gawin pwede, sugal, mangungurakot, mambabae, o kung ano ano pa ay pwde dahil wala na ang kasalanan. At dahil awala na si Satanas, mawawalan na ng trabaho ang mga parim ang santo papa, at ang mga taong simbahan dahil namatay na nga ang kasalanan.
Kaya ang isang Satanas ay nakakatulong din in a different way para sa pagbalanse ng bagay, I didn't mean and please dont get me wrong na i am into violence, i am no violent person. Pero sa kung isang kadahilanan, at sa isang kondisyon, pwede itong maging mabuti.
Kung kinakailangn mong pumatay ng tao, para maisalba ang isang tao, kasalanan ba iyon?
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