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catburglar- 03-13-2004
yoko nga...at least may sarili pa tayong identity kahit konti lang

padi- 03-13-2004
QUOTE (catburglar @ Mar 13 2004, 10:39 AM)
yoko nga...at least may sarili pa tayong identity kahit konti lang

[B]Tama, mahalaga meron tayong sariling identity.

tapos na ang cold war, wala ng interes ang america para manatili sa southeast asia, kung may pagpapahalaga ang america na manatili sa southeas asia kahit na sampung pagsabog ng Mt pinatubo di niya isusurrender ang base militar ng Clark airforce base saka Subic naval base.

Di na nag aambisyon ang america na magpalawak ng teritoryo kaya ni sa hinagap o pangarap na magiging estado ng america ang pilipinas ay imposibleng magyayari.

Papa EZ- 03-13-2004
QUOTE (padi @ Mar 13 2004, 11:34 AM)
QUOTE (catburglar @ Mar 13 2004, 10:39 AM)
yoko nga...at least may sarili pa tayong identity kahit konti lang

[B]Tama, mahalaga meron tayong sariling identity.

tapos na ang cold war, wala ng interes ang america para manatili sa southeast asia, kung may pagpapahalaga ang america na manatili sa southeas asia kahit na sampung pagsabog ng Mt pinatubo di niya isusurrender ang base militar ng Clark airforce base saka Subic naval base.

Di na nag aambisyon ang america na magpalawak ng teritoryo kaya ni sa hinagap o pangarap na magiging estado ng america ang pilipinas ay imposibleng magyayari.

tama kayo pareho.

you have to keep in mind that the US government does what's in the best interest of the US. if they deemed it wasn't in the best interest of the US to have a permanent military presence in the Philippines, what does that say about owning it outright?

catburglar- 03-13-2004
QUOTE (augustmoon @ Mar 13 2004, 11:07 PM)
QUOTE (padi @ Mar 13 2004, 11:34 AM)
QUOTE (catburglar @ Mar 13 2004, 10:39 AM)
yoko nga...at least may sarili pa tayong identity kahit konti lang

[B]Tama, mahalaga meron tayong sariling identity.

tapos na ang cold war, wala ng interes ang america para manatili sa southeast asia, kung may pagpapahalaga ang america na manatili sa southeas asia kahit na sampung pagsabog ng Mt pinatubo di niya isusurrender ang base militar ng Clark airforce base saka Subic naval base.

Di na nag aambisyon ang america na magpalawak ng teritoryo kaya ni sa hinagap o pangarap na magiging estado ng america ang pilipinas ay imposibleng magyayari.

tama kayo pareho.

you have to keep in mind that the US government does what's in the best interest of the US. if they deemed it wasn't in the best interest of the US to have a permanent military presence in the Philippines, what does that say about owning it outright?

Amen to both of U tambayan/thmbup.gif

baklita- 03-17-2004
if philippines accords into united states, it doesn't mean that one loses his filipino identity. that's absurd and fallatious. would you believe that filipinos abroad have better closed ties as kababayan than filipinos in the philippines?

never have I got lured into the issue that philippines should be a us state. but then if philippines becomes a commonwealth of usa, I may incline to join the call. commonwealth is a political unit having local autonomy but voluntarily united with the usa... an instance is Puerto Rico. such stated progeny may bring more better reforms to our country. does it take comparison to know the difference? prevailing, ain't it?

aihihihi!!! tambayan/clapping.gif


lhalang- 03-23-2004
Tama kayong lahat mga kaibigan, amiga, amigo imposibleng kunin ang pinas sa mga kano wala silang makuha na malaking asit hindi kagaya sa iraq na maraming oil, at iba pa na para mapakinabangan nila. Siguro meron ang mga maganda nating mga babae, kaya lang ang kumuha sa atin ay yong mga matanda na. pasinsya na pag may masactan i don't mean it. please correct me if im wrong... hehehhehe tambayan/mf_laughbounce2.gif tambayan/huggles.gif tambayan/huggles.gif tambayan/huggles.gif tambayan/huggles.gif tambayan/harhar.gif tambayan/harhar.gif

mang tonio- 03-26-2004
Ayaw nyo noon mga anak, US na ang lalapit sa atin at di na pupunbta sa US para kumita ng Dollar, pinaiikot lang tayo ng prinsipyo nung ibang politiko e on practical side, tingin ko e ok din ito.

.:Sublime:.- 04-02-2004
I'm bias.. I have to say no.

losing self identity and pride is something I can't live without.

PLUS, I don't like USA. tambayan/yucky.gif smile.gif

walangkakwentakwenta- 04-07-2004
Strategically, the US needs the Philippines(although they have Saipan but it's too small) to solidify their position in Asia Pacific with the imminent rise of China as the next superpower nation, and yeah, North Korea's threat. (the US wanted a permanent military presence in the Philippines but also, they wanted to maintain the previous arrangement which is paying us their stay through humanitarian aid, so we threw them out because we wanted them to pay taxes so they would be obligated)

That's not counting our vast natural resources in Mindanao, (the US predicted their country to have a food shortage by 2050's) and of course the Deuterium deposit in Philippine deep , the hard water(H3O) which could be a potential source of fuel, an alternative to gasoline.

But personally, I don't want us to be one of the US states simply because our forefathers sacrificed their bloods and lives just to gain our independence and we should appreciate their efforts by retaining it, thus, we also need to sacrifice ourselves, work harder, to improve our present economic and political situation, not by looking for the shortest and easiest route.......... that's selfishness.

And besides, I'm still very proud to be called as a Filipino, not an American or any other nationality.

Papa EZ- 04-07-2004
QUOTE (walangkakwentakwenta @ Apr 7 2004, 04:32 PM)
Strategically, the US needs the Philippines(although they have Saipan but it's too small) to solidify their position in Asia Pacific with the imminent rise of China as the next superpower nation, and yeah, North Korea's threat. (the US wanted a permanent military presence in the Philippines but also, they wanted to maintain the previous arrangement which is paying us their stay through humanitarian aid,  so we threw them out because we wanted them to pay taxes so they would be obligated)

That's not counting our vast natural resources in Mindanao, (the US predicted their country to have a food shortage by 2050's) and of course the Deuterium deposit in Philippine deep , the hard water(H3O) which could be a potential source of fuel, an alternative to gasoline.

But personally, I don't want us to be one of the US states simply because our forefathers sacrificed their bloods and lives just to gain our independence and we should appreciate their efforts by retaining it, thus, we also need to sacrifice ourselves, work harder, to improve our present economic and political situation, not by looking for the shortest and easiest route.......... that's selfishness.

And besides, I'm still very proud to be called as a Filipino, not an American or any other nationality.

you used two (2) significant words - wants and needs; but you seem to be confusing the two. by moving out of the us bases in the philippines in 1991, the u.s. showed it does NOT need a permanent presence in the philippines to solidify its position in asia pacific.

Thunderflip- 04-09-2004
The Philippines can succeed on its own without the US.We have been a nation for already so many decades.That is our advantage over Guam, Northern Marianas, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii.We bacame independent,so let us stay so. The Philippine Islands were a commonwealth of the US for so many years, they had total control over us,if they wanted us to become part of their nation,they should have declared us a state so long ago but destiny went a different way,we became independent on our own.Now we have to move on by ourselves.Believe me,the future of our country does not lie on the US, it lies on us alone, if we have a will, a vision for our country, we can achieve it if we believe in it.We must play our cards right,both the people and the government.I mean if someone orders you to stand up, then you have to stand up on your own.It is time for the Philippines to stand on its own.

Papa EZ- 04-09-2004
QUOTE (Thunderflip @ Apr 9 2004, 10:01 PM)
It is time for the Philippines to stand on its own.

... and quit speculating on what could have been or what might have been

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Chaseem- 04-10-2004
QUOTE (.:Sublime:. @ Apr 2 2004, 06:14 AM)
I'm bias.. I have to say no.

losing self identity and pride is something I can't live without.

PLUS, I don't like USA. tambayan/yucky.gif smile.gif

Ako rin hindi papayag na masakop ng america ang pinas never!!

Noon kami ng mister ko nagpaplano na mag migrate sa states,pero ngayon hindi na never,simula noong giyenira ng US ang Afghanistan at saka last year ang Iraq.

NOW i hate US. please dont get me wrong pero yan ang opinion ko.

walangkakwentakwenta- 04-10-2004
QUOTE (august @ Apr 7 2004, 08:33 PM)
QUOTE (walangkakwentakwenta @ Apr 7 2004, 04:32 PM)
Strategically, the US needs the Philippines(although they have Saipan but it's too small) to solidify their position in Asia Pacific with the imminent rise of China as the next superpower nation, and yeah, North Korea's threat. (the US wanted a permanent military presence in the Philippines but also, they wanted to maintain the previous arrangement which is paying us their stay through humanitarian aid,  so we threw them out because we wanted them to pay taxes so they would be obligated)

That's not counting our vast natural resources in Mindanao, (the US predicted their country to have a food shortage by 2050's) and of course the Deuterium deposit in Philippine deep , the hard water(H3O) which could be a potential source of fuel, an alternative to gasoline.

But personally, I don't want us to be one of the US states simply because our forefathers sacrificed their bloods and lives just to gain our independence and we should appreciate their efforts by retaining it, thus, we also need to sacrifice ourselves, work harder, to improve our present economic and political situation, not by looking for the shortest and easiest route.......... that's selfishness.

And besides, I'm still very proud to be called as a Filipino, not an American or any other nationality.

you used two (2) significant words - wants and needs; but you seem to be confusing the two. by moving out of the us bases in the philippines in 1991, the u.s. showed it does NOT need a permanent presence in the philippines to solidify its position in asia pacific.

sorry if I confused you between wants and needs.......

When the US pulled out their bases in the Philippines, they wanted but they really DIDN'T need them to stay(they prefered to remove them than to pay obligated taxes) at that time because the cold war era(thanks to Mikhael Gorbachev) was just over and the Koreans seemed to be in the process of unifying themselves, so there was no US threat at all in Asia Pacific.

When China noticed the pulled-out, and with Hongkong returning to their bailiwicks in the late 90's, they created some tumultuous moves by occupying some portion of the Spratleys and hinting to invade Taiwan. And also, North Korea launched successfully their new missile in Japanese waters, undetected. The US then felt a NEED to have a strong base in Asia Pacific.

oh by the way, I forgot to mention the India-Pakistan tension in Kashmir which sparked a nuclear arm race on both countries and happened subsequently at the turn of the century.

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T-Bird Rose- 04-11-2004
Kung nasakop tayo ng USA noon pa, wala sanang mga kurakot tayong kababayan, lahat ay pantay-pantay, yung mga kano na lang ang mangungurakot dahil sila ang namumuno e

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